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	<title>Comments on: Media: D-150 combines ignorance and arrogance at Friday&#8217;s press conference</title>
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		<title>By: Billy Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta say, Ryan, I&#039;ve read both of Elaine comments here and I&#039;m struggling to find any sentence that advocates readers being forced to read anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say, Ryan, I&#8217;ve read both of Elaine comments here and I&#8217;m struggling to find any sentence that advocates readers being forced to read anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Elaine.  Glad you&#039;re no longer with the Journal Star.  It&#039;s scary that a &quot;journalist&quot; thinks it&#039;s their job to force their opinions on everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Elaine.  Glad you&#8217;re no longer with the Journal Star.  It&#8217;s scary that a &#8220;journalist&#8221; thinks it&#8217;s their job to force their opinions on everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Commercial media take an objective stance so as not to offend the public or advertisers&quot;


Wrong. 

To be objective is to be fair. As well, I could care less about offending an advertiser. 

It isn&#039;t about offending the public either, it is about giving them options. With a neutral stance people can form their own opinions. 

That is my opinion. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Commercial media take an objective stance so as not to offend the public or advertisers&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. </p>
<p>To be objective is to be fair. As well, I could care less about offending an advertiser. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t about offending the public either, it is about giving them options. With a neutral stance people can form their own opinions. </p>
<p>That is my opinion. <img src='http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Billy Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we&#039;re citing documents:

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_journalism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Citizen journalism, also known as public or participatory journalism, is the act of citizens &quot;playing an active role in the process of collecting, reporting, analyzing and disseminating news and information,&quot; according to the seminal report We Media: How Audiences are Shaping the Future of News and Information, by Shayne Bowman and Chris Willis. They say, &quot;The intent of this participation is to provide independent, reliable, accurate, wide-ranging and relevant information that a democracy requires.&quot;[1] Citizen journalism should not be confused with civic journalism, which is practiced by professional journalists. Citizen journalism is a specific form of citizen media as well as user generated content.

In a 2003 Online Journalism Review article, J. D. Lasica classifies media for citizen journalism into the following types: 1) Audience participation (such as user comments attached to news stories, personal blogs, photos or video footage captured from personal mobile cameras, or local news written by residents of a community), 2) Independent news and information Websites (Consumer Reports, the Drudge Report), 3) Full-fledged participatory news sites (OhmyNews), 4) Collaborative and contributory media sites (Slashdot, Kuro5hin), (Newsvine), 5) Other kinds of &quot;thin media.&quot; (mailing lists, email newsletters), and 6) Personal broadcasting sites (video broadcast sites such as (KenRadio).[2]

Dan Gillmor, former technology columnist with the San Jose Mercury News, is one of the foremost proponents of citizen journalism, and founded a nonprofit, the Center for Citizen Media, to help promote it. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation&#039;s French-language television network has also organized a weekly public affairs program called, &quot;5 sur 5&quot;, which has been organizing and promoting citizen-based journalism since 2001. On the program, viewers submit questions on a wide variety of topics, and they, accompanied by staff journalists, get to interview experts to obtain answers to their questions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we&#8217;re citing documents:</p>
<p>From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_journalism" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Citizen journalism, also known as public or participatory journalism, is the act of citizens &#8220;playing an active role in the process of collecting, reporting, analyzing and disseminating news and information,&#8221; according to the seminal report We Media: How Audiences are Shaping the Future of News and Information, by Shayne Bowman and Chris Willis. They say, &#8220;The intent of this participation is to provide independent, reliable, accurate, wide-ranging and relevant information that a democracy requires.&#8221;[1] Citizen journalism should not be confused with civic journalism, which is practiced by professional journalists. Citizen journalism is a specific form of citizen media as well as user generated content.</p>
<p>In a 2003 Online Journalism Review article, J. D. Lasica classifies media for citizen journalism into the following types: 1) Audience participation (such as user comments attached to news stories, personal blogs, photos or video footage captured from personal mobile cameras, or local news written by residents of a community), 2) Independent news and information Websites (Consumer Reports, the Drudge Report), 3) Full-fledged participatory news sites (OhmyNews), 4) Collaborative and contributory media sites (Slashdot, Kuro5hin), (Newsvine), 5) Other kinds of &#8220;thin media.&#8221; (mailing lists, email newsletters), and 6) Personal broadcasting sites (video broadcast sites such as (KenRadio).[2]</p>
<p>Dan Gillmor, former technology columnist with the San Jose Mercury News, is one of the foremost proponents of citizen journalism, and founded a nonprofit, the Center for Citizen Media, to help promote it. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation&#8217;s French-language television network has also organized a weekly public affairs program called, &#8220;5 sur 5&#8243;, which has been organizing and promoting citizen-based journalism since 2001. On the program, viewers submit questions on a wide variety of topics, and they, accompanied by staff journalists, get to interview experts to obtain answers to their questions.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Elaine Hopkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloggers are definitely members of the press, and they play the same role today that pamphlet writers did during the American Revolution. Today&#039;s bloggers are part of a very long tradition. 
Commercial media take an objective stance so as not to offend the public or advertisers. They&#039;ve brain washed the public to believe that&#039;s the only role for media. It is not. 
Any philosopher will tell you there is no such thing as &quot;objectivity.&quot;  We are all conditioned to view the world through biased lens. Some are more aware of their own bias than others.
&quot;Public media&quot; in other nations are often anchored by &quot;bias&quot; or a political party. In London you can read several different daily newspapers, each with a particular point of view that openly is revealed in the stories they choose to cover and the way they write them. I don&#039;t think even the guy above would argue they&#039;re not part of the public media. 

Chase is right about what is happening to traditional media in the US, which makes bloggers more valuable than ever to the public discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers are definitely members of the press, and they play the same role today that pamphlet writers did during the American Revolution. Today&#8217;s bloggers are part of a very long tradition.<br />
Commercial media take an objective stance so as not to offend the public or advertisers. They&#8217;ve brain washed the public to believe that&#8217;s the only role for media. It is not.<br />
Any philosopher will tell you there is no such thing as &#8220;objectivity.&#8221;  We are all conditioned to view the world through biased lens. Some are more aware of their own bias than others.<br />
&#8220;Public media&#8221; in other nations are often anchored by &#8220;bias&#8221; or a political party. In London you can read several different daily newspapers, each with a particular point of view that openly is revealed in the stories they choose to cover and the way they write them. I don&#8217;t think even the guy above would argue they&#8217;re not part of the public media. </p>
<p>Chase is right about what is happening to traditional media in the US, which makes bloggers more valuable than ever to the public discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Chase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you recall about......gosh has it been 13 years ago.....the City of Peoria would not allow me to see the police blotter because I was not a member of the &quot;press&quot;.  I believe it was Judge Joe Vespa (Diane Vespa&#039;s brother in-law) who made the city see the error of its ways. 

Typically, the reporters that are covering school board press conferences, especially in today&#039;s corporate media environment are going to be the kids just out of journalism school and on the low end of the totem pole.  They are not going to have the breadth of understanding of the issues, much less the my-ox-being-gored motivation to comprehensively understand the issues and the questions which need to be asked of Hinton et.al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you recall about&#8230;&#8230;gosh has it been 13 years ago&#8230;..the City of Peoria would not allow me to see the police blotter because I was not a member of the &#8220;press&#8221;.  I believe it was Judge Joe Vespa (Diane Vespa&#8217;s brother in-law) who made the city see the error of its ways. </p>
<p>Typically, the reporters that are covering school board press conferences, especially in today&#8217;s corporate media environment are going to be the kids just out of journalism school and on the low end of the totem pole.  They are not going to have the breadth of understanding of the issues, much less the my-ox-being-gored motivation to comprehensively understand the issues and the questions which need to be asked of Hinton et.al.</p>
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		<title>By: diane vespa</title>
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		<dc:creator>diane vespa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of the above points except this one, of course:

&quot;Most bloggers, especially what Iâ€™ve seen from Peoria, do a very bad job of interpreting the facts.&quot;

An interpretation of facts is generally subjective, so who is to say that one&#039;s &quot;interpretation&quot; is more accurate than someone elses. Isn&#039;t it all a matter of perspective? In my business if you give 3 people the same set of facts it would not be unusual to get 3 different opinions. 

Take the current D150 situation as an example. Given the same set of facts, 2 different factions have vastly opposing points of view. See this thread:

http://peoriachronicle.com/2008/05/31/d150-taking-a-look-at-the-research-in-context/

All that being said, I still do not consider myself in any way, shape or form a journalist. That doesn&#039;t mean, however, that I didn&#039;t consider it petty and shortsighted to ban me from the public unveiling of Hintons new plan. We all want the same things for our kids, don&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of the above points except this one, of course:</p>
<p>&#8220;Most bloggers, especially what Iâ€™ve seen from Peoria, do a very bad job of interpreting the facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>An interpretation of facts is generally subjective, so who is to say that one&#8217;s &#8220;interpretation&#8221; is more accurate than someone elses. Isn&#8217;t it all a matter of perspective? In my business if you give 3 people the same set of facts it would not be unusual to get 3 different opinions. </p>
<p>Take the current D150 situation as an example. Given the same set of facts, 2 different factions have vastly opposing points of view. See this thread:</p>
<p><a href="http://peoriachronicle.com/2008/05/31/d150-taking-a-look-at-the-research-in-context/" rel="nofollow">http://peoriachronicle.com/2008/05/31/d150-taking-a-look-at-the-research-in-context/</a></p>
<p>All that being said, I still do not consider myself in any way, shape or form a journalist. That doesn&#8217;t mean, however, that I didn&#8217;t consider it petty and shortsighted to ban me from the public unveiling of Hintons new plan. We all want the same things for our kids, don&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>merriam-webster: Thanks for the input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>merriam-webster: Thanks for the input.</p>
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		<title>By: www.merriam-webster.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.merriam-webster.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalism
a: the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media b: the public press c: an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium
2 a: writing designed for publication in a newspaper or magazine b: writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation c: writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest

1. Blogs are not the media. Receiving a few press releases here and there does not consitute calling yourself the media, nor does attending city council meetings.
2. Bloggers are not the public press.
3. Bloggers don&#039;t write news, they write opinion
4. Most bloggers, especially what I&#039;ve seen from Peoria, do a very bad job of interpreting the facts.
5. Bloggers MIGHT write to appeal or to current popular taste, but they write to their own interest, not the entire publics.

Big difference between blogger and journalist. Please don&#039;t intertwine the two! Blogs serve the purpose of presenting public opinion, and sharing your own stories, and keeping the public well informed of the issues you are most interested in and the opinion you have about those issues. However, the media&#039;s job is to keep the public informed on all issues and do it without bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalism<br />
a: the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media b: the public press c: an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium<br />
2 a: writing designed for publication in a newspaper or magazine b: writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation c: writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest</p>
<p>1. Blogs are not the media. Receiving a few press releases here and there does not consitute calling yourself the media, nor does attending city council meetings.<br />
2. Bloggers are not the public press.<br />
3. Bloggers don&#8217;t write news, they write opinion<br />
4. Most bloggers, especially what I&#8217;ve seen from Peoria, do a very bad job of interpreting the facts.<br />
5. Bloggers MIGHT write to appeal or to current popular taste, but they write to their own interest, not the entire publics.</p>
<p>Big difference between blogger and journalist. Please don&#8217;t intertwine the two! Blogs serve the purpose of presenting public opinion, and sharing your own stories, and keeping the public well informed of the issues you are most interested in and the opinion you have about those issues. However, the media&#8217;s job is to keep the public informed on all issues and do it without bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elaine: I couldn&#039;t make it. Neither could C.J. And we know that Diane didn&#039;t get in. 

Do we need a state law making all &quot;press conferences&quot; open? I foresee problems with that. I think public scorn and ridicule might be a more elegant solution. After all, when was the last time a public body was prosecuted in any way for violating the laws we have now?

Diane: I beg to differ. A &quot;citizen journalist&quot; is not defined only as someone who sits at his/her home computer trying to produce an imitation of the daily newspaper or new broadcast. Citizen journalists are those people who publish on the Internet information and insights on newsworthy topics. They doesn&#039;t have to be &quot;objective,&quot; nor do their posts have to be written in the style newspapers and broadcasters follow. Citizen journalism is often intensely personal and focus on the issues of concern to the blogger. I many ways it&#039;s MORE honest than newspaper and broadcast journalist, because the biases are up front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elaine: I couldn&#8217;t make it. Neither could C.J. And we know that Diane didn&#8217;t get in. </p>
<p>Do we need a state law making all &#8220;press conferences&#8221; open? I foresee problems with that. I think public scorn and ridicule might be a more elegant solution. After all, when was the last time a public body was prosecuted in any way for violating the laws we have now?</p>
<p>Diane: I beg to differ. A &#8220;citizen journalist&#8221; is not defined only as someone who sits at his/her home computer trying to produce an imitation of the daily newspaper or new broadcast. Citizen journalists are those people who publish on the Internet information and insights on newsworthy topics. They doesn&#8217;t have to be &#8220;objective,&#8221; nor do their posts have to be written in the style newspapers and broadcasters follow. Citizen journalism is often intensely personal and focus on the issues of concern to the blogger. I many ways it&#8217;s MORE honest than newspaper and broadcast journalist, because the biases are up front.</p>
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