Comments on: Local: Logo numbers not adding up http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/ News and Media from River City Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:35:40 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Super J http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8693 Super J Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:27:28 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8693 Sorry to pour salt into old wounds here, but I stumbled across this article today and thought it was marginally relevant: http://adage.com/article?article_id=132016 "Pepsi would not discuss what it's paying for the revamp, but experts estimate the cost for a top firm to work five months at north of $1 million." One. Million. Dollars. For a logo that's simply an offshoot of an existing mark and not an original design... Sorry to pour salt into old wounds here, but I stumbled across this article today and thought it was marginally relevant:

http://adage.com/article?article_id=132016

“Pepsi would not discuss what it’s paying for the revamp, but experts estimate the cost for a top firm to work five months at north of $1 million.”

One. Million. Dollars. For a logo that’s simply an offshoot of an existing mark and not an original design…

]]> By: postsimian http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8217 postsimian Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:07:45 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8217 <b>Bill</b> - I'm making the "he started it" plea. No really, I'll take that into consideration. I honestly don't take the internet all that seriously. Maybe that accounts for the difference. <b>Super J</b> - LOL. But... but... he uses a Mac! Bill – I’m making the “he started it” plea. No really, I’ll take that into consideration. I honestly don’t take the internet all that seriously. Maybe that accounts for the difference.

Super J – LOL. But… but… he uses a Mac!

]]> By: Super J http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8215 Super J Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:40:10 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8215 "I showed the logos to the graphic designer at the company I work for" Yeah, but take that with a grain of salt, because everybody knows that in-house designers aren't REAL designers. ;) “I showed the logos to the graphic designer at the company I work for”

Yeah, but take that with a grain of salt, because everybody knows that in-house designers aren’t REAL designers.

;)

]]> By: Billy Dennis http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8212 Billy Dennis Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:27:29 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8212 Postsimian: In person, you are a nice guy. Seriously. In the Blogosphere, however, you REALLY need to learn how to criticize a person's opinion without attacking the person. As you get older, the inability to do this will be seen as less and and less as youthful exuberance and more like a character flaw. Another thing that comes with age and painful experience is that just because one has the language skills and wit to argue a position to the point that others give up, that doesn't mean that one's position in the correct one. In other words, no one WINS an argument on a blog. Thanks for listening. Postsimian: In person, you are a nice guy. Seriously. In the Blogosphere, however, you REALLY need to learn how to criticize a person’s opinion without attacking the person. As you get older, the inability to do this will be seen as less and and less as youthful exuberance and more like a character flaw. Another thing that comes with age and painful experience is that just because one has the language skills and wit to argue a position to the point that others give up, that doesn’t mean that one’s position in the correct one. In other words, no one WINS an argument on a blog. Thanks for listening.

]]> By: postsimian http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8211 postsimian Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:16:54 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8211 I blogged it to appease you sensitive designers out there. Remember, I wasn't the one getting butthurt because someone said they once dabbled in something similar to what I do professionally. I do have a solution, though: maybe you ought to patent the abstract idea "design" and "aesthetics" while you're at it. Afterward, be sure to beat up a bunch of third graders for daring to use crayons to make themselves a drawing instead of creating installation art in the atrium of a museum. Good luck with that, Maddox. Anyway, thanks for the discussion. Yesterday, work just breezed by. I blogged it to appease you sensitive designers out there. Remember, I wasn’t the one getting butthurt because someone said they once dabbled in something similar to what I do professionally.

I do have a solution, though: maybe you ought to patent the abstract idea “design” and “aesthetics” while you’re at it. Afterward, be sure to beat up a bunch of third graders for daring to use crayons to make themselves a drawing instead of creating installation art in the atrium of a museum. Good luck with that, Maddox.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion. Yesterday, work just breezed by.

]]> By: DesignGuy http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8204 DesignGuy Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:45:48 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8204 CJ...I mostly agree, but do you think most Peorians would recognize City Hall as OUR city hall? Let alone the statue? Super J...you're killing me. Too funny. LurkerGirl...I liked that one, too. CJ…I mostly agree, but do you think most Peorians would recognize City Hall as OUR city hall? Let alone the statue?

Super J…you’re killing me. Too funny.

LurkerGirl…I liked that one, too.

]]> By: DesignGuy http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8203 DesignGuy Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:38:39 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8203 "What’s that about admitting defeat? I was holding out for a reason. ;D" Dude, you've turned this into way more than it needs to be. You're a little scary competitive, you know? You even took the time to insult me on your own blog. Hopefully I can settle this: You win. You're witty. You're experienced. You're scary smart. You're on TV (kind of). You're so alpha. Your ***** is probably HUGE. We get it, man. Now go take a walk. Play a game. Smoke something. Relax. And tulip...are you familiar with this blog? “What’s that about admitting defeat? I was holding out for a reason. ;D”

Dude, you’ve turned this into way more than it needs to be. You’re a little scary competitive, you know? You even took the time to insult me on your own blog. Hopefully I can settle this:

You win.

You’re witty.
You’re experienced.
You’re scary smart.
You’re on TV (kind of).
You’re so alpha.
Your ***** is probably HUGE.

We get it, man.

Now go take a walk. Play a game. Smoke something. Relax.

And tulip…are you familiar with this blog?

]]> By: postsimian http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8178 postsimian Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:40:47 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8178 CJ's right--some of the rejected city hall submissions weren't too shabby. By the way fellas, I showed the logos to the graphic designer at the company I work for, and he agreed with me on these and other points: 1) He said he had tremendous respect for Converse, but he couldn't get into any of the final designs 2) Some of the fonts were pretty terrible. 3) Comparing graphic design to engineering and surgery is hubris. Before he left, he let me know I basically ruined his afternoon by showing him. What's that about admitting defeat? I was holding out for a reason. ;D CJ’s right–some of the rejected city hall submissions weren’t too shabby.

By the way fellas, I showed the logos to the graphic designer at the company I work for, and he agreed with me on these and other points:

1) He said he had tremendous respect for Converse, but he couldn’t get into any of the final designs

2) Some of the fonts were pretty terrible.

3) Comparing graphic design to engineering and surgery is hubris.

Before he left, he let me know I basically ruined his afternoon by showing him.

What’s that about admitting defeat? I was holding out for a reason. ;D

]]> By: C. J. Summers http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8171 C. J. Summers Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:39:59 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8171 To me, there's only so much you can communicate in a logo. When it comes right down to it, you want it to do one thing -- identify <i>our</i> town uniquely from all other towns. I believe several of the logos don't do that. They can't stand alone (without "Peoria" written out) because they're too generic-looking. An example of a logo that could stand alone as an identification of Peoria would be a representation of City Hall with Sonar Tide in front of it. Some of the rejected logos had something like this. When I (and I think most Peorians) see that image, I immediately think "Peoria," even without the city's name next to it. The combination of our unique City Hall and civic artwork is iconic and perfect for a logo. Plus, they could build other things around it if they felt it was necessary. For instance, they could put it in a circle that looks like a tractor tire as an homage to Peoria's heavy equipment manufacturing (including, but not limited to Cat) history, and/or they could put a silhouette of the Murray Baker Bridge behind City Hall in the graphic. To me, there’s only so much you can communicate in a logo. When it comes right down to it, you want it to do one thing — identify our town uniquely from all other towns. I believe several of the logos don’t do that. They can’t stand alone (without “Peoria” written out) because they’re too generic-looking.

An example of a logo that could stand alone as an identification of Peoria would be a representation of City Hall with Sonar Tide in front of it. Some of the rejected logos had something like this. When I (and I think most Peorians) see that image, I immediately think “Peoria,” even without the city’s name next to it. The combination of our unique City Hall and civic artwork is iconic and perfect for a logo.

Plus, they could build other things around it if they felt it was necessary. For instance, they could put it in a circle that looks like a tractor tire as an homage to Peoria’s heavy equipment manufacturing (including, but not limited to Cat) history, and/or they could put a silhouette of the Murray Baker Bridge behind City Hall in the graphic.

]]> By: BlargenBlog » Blog Archive » Return of the Logo Issue http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/2008/10/13/local-logo-numbers-not-adding-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8166 BlargenBlog » Blog Archive » Return of the Logo Issue Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:15 +0000 http://pundit.blogpeoria.com/?p=3831#comment-8166 [...] at the Peoria Pundit, we went back and forth with a number of people over the top eight designs from Converse [...] [...] at the Peoria Pundit, we went back and forth with a number of people over the top eight designs from Converse [...]

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