More wisdom on conception from the Sky Being’s spokesman on Earth
An alleged virgin, Pope Benedict XVI is, of course, God’s perfect spokesperson for a ban on infertility treatments:
The pope pressed the church ban against artificial procreation, saying infertile couples should refrain from any method to try to conceive other than sex between husband and wife.
“The human and Christian dignity of procreation, in fact, doesn’t consist in a ‘product,’ but in its link to the conjugal act, an expression of the love of the spouses of their union, not only biological but also spiritual,” Benedict said.
He told the science and fertility experts in his audience to resist “the fascination of the technology of artificial fertility. Benedict cautioned the experts against “easy income, or even worse, the arrogance of taking the place of the Creator,” an attitude he indicated underlies the field of artificial procreation.
Because it’s very important that a mythical sky being gives its blessings before every birth takes place. Never mind that the majority of people in the world are born without this blessing, having been conceived by parents who are Buddhist, Hindi, atheists, or by parents who worship that devilish Allah. Never mind all the kids who are conceived by Christian parents, but perhaps because they *ahem* might have jumped the gun just a bit.
ALL THESE PEOPLE are conceived in what they call “sin.”
And it means … nothing. Absolutely nothing.
The universe does not give a damn whether you are conceived in a test tube any more than it cares one tinker’s damn whether your parents were married or not. The economic circumstances of your parents matters more, and whether or not you are raised in a loving, nurturing environment. That has some marginal relationship to marriage, to be sure.
Anyone dumb enough to let some dude in robes over in Vatican City dictate how they procreate deserves the misery their life will become.
Yes. I know more hate speech. Let me have it in the comments.
February 26th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Who, exactly, alleges that the Pope is a virgin? Virginity is not a requirement to be Pope. Some men are called to pursue priesthood later in life, after having romantic relationships with women. While I personally don’t find in vitro fertilization reprehensible, I do wonder if the world would be a better place if couples gave their love and resources (IVF is very expensive) to a foster child desperate for a loving family, instead of relentlessly pursuing genetic offspring. IVF creates a whole new set of problems that technology has yet to solve, and if you believe environmental scientists, the last thing the world needs is more people. Your hatred for Christianity and, especially, Catholicism is blinding you to the meaning behind the message.
February 26th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I don’t speak for Billy, but I don’t see his posts as hatred for Christianity at all. Just an opposing view but of course, a lot of Christians don’t like any views other than their own. Some believe the bible is campfire stories at least after talking to a Mennonite the other night who railed that the Catholic version of the bible is full of such stories. It’s his belief. Not hate. I think he feels sorry for them, I don’t know. After going to a catholic high school for a few years I too was miffed a bit when the Pope would release a letter changing the rules. I thought, what about the people who broke those rules and sinned, then maybe died, they now can do it because the rules were changed. Do they all of a sudden get a Get out of Hell free card?
Some people just don’t buy into religion. OK with me. I know where my heart is and I am not here to judge for that. God is the only one that can judge and maybe if mortal man, in big hats and robes followed the practice, the world would be a little more peaceful?
February 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
…and exactly what is the message that Catholics are trying to spread? Live, Love, and be free or is it follow what we say or you are full of hate?
February 26th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
His hatred blinds him to a lot of things. The rest is just due to his stupidity.
February 26th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Thanks for input!
February 27th, 2012 at 4:58 am
Emtronics – The Get Out Hell Free Card you speak of is available to all Christians, including Catholics, at any time. If one believes that Jesus died for his or her sins, admits to being a sinner, repents and asks for forgiveness they are all set. Heaven and redemption are not earned, but are simply there for the asking. There is no “Catholic Bible” per se, some translations of the bible have not been recognized by the Church because they believe the translations to be err prone or they have omitted Cannons that the Church still finds relevant. The New American Bible (popular with Christians across the board) has been approved by the Church. There is a chart here -scan to the bottom of the page- that compares protestant v. catholic bibles (you won’t see any differences in the New Testament and a few books added in the Old). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon#Western_Church Also, there is a concise article here that explains the “catholic bible”. http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-catholic-bible-and-king-james-bible/. Of course, the Church wants us to live and love. Be free? Free to do what exactly? To love one another as God loves us? Yes. To hurt or sin against one another? No. Anyone that falls short of (and we all will) the rules and guidelines set forth by The Church, bible, and God is still loved and considered a valuable part of God’s family (hate the sin and love the sinner). Which is why God gave us Grace, to restore us after we fall. The bible does not speak directly on modern day topics such as IVF. So, the Church attempts to clarify. There is no fire and brimstone implied. Catholicism isn’t my thing, but I have noticed the tendency of those commenting against Catholic teachings are woefully uneducated about what is being said or the alleged consequences.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson once described Catholicism as “Cabalistic Christianity, …” which is true not only in the celebration of the sacraments (symbolic or the literal transformation of the wine and bread) but in the demagoguery often subjected upon its faithful followers. There is no hate in calling out tyrannical, dictatorial, sanctimonious and frequently fraudulent leadership, be it a theocracy or not. Criticism of the Catholic hierarchy does not equate to the condemnation of Christianity in general, though the shared tenets of blind faith in supernaturalism is always open for debate.
Since the Catholic Church is considered by its own definition, the sole conduit to salvation and the Pope as it divinely anointed “Jesus pro-tempore”, the dictates of a man sworn never to marry (heterosexually only of course), procreate or make use of his penis for anything other than urinating, has no business advising those couples seeking the most rudimentary goal in life; producing the next generation.
While I agree with the need to take care of those parentless children already present should take precedence, the right of individuals to seek medical solutions to infertility should not be interceded by a plethora of old men with enlarged prostates wearing funny hats and long robes attempting to honor their own covenant of not jerking off or chasing after pre and post-pubescent altar boys.
Give’m hell Billy!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I bask in the righteous glow of your adoration.
February 27th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Well, what I was pointing out was the cannon laws of the Catholic Church and how they have changed over the years one being eating meat on Fridays. Ex: A Catholic guy eats a hamburger on Friday, leaves and gets hit by a bus. He broke cannon law and goes to hell. The church changes the rules, or lightens up the rule and now it is no meat on Fridays from Ash Wednesday to Easter. So, does the dead guy get out of hell? There are other examples, like divorce in the Catholic Church. My step mother was divorced and married my father a non Catholic. Hell, my dad would have caught fire if he stepped in a church. As such, his wife could not take Communion in the church. But, according to cannon law, she could 9and she did) pony up $5,000 and the church declared me and my brother bastards in the eyes of the church and re-instated her faith. To make it worse, the Father had the balls to call me and set up a meeting and they wanted me, as a child of my dad’s previous marriage to sign off on this. I politely told the Father I’d see him in Hell first. Hypocrites? Yes. For $5 grand you are forgiven? Really?
Most Catholics think that Vatican II did away with the requirement of not eating meat on any Friday of the year. Most think it is now just Ash Wednesday and the Fridays of Lent that we cannot eat meat.
This is what the new Code of Canon Law brought out in 1983 says about the matter:
Canon 1251
Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
Canon Law still requires that Catholics not eat meat on Fridays!